wm blair (wmblair) wrote in helpexcatholics,
wm blair

Why this flag - why this group?

There are many people who were raised Catholic. The thing with that is that does not include much actual learning about what being Catholic actually is. (I mean if you convert - well then you learn it all) Also, there are many holes in Catholic Dogma that require faith (not just your faith that your bedroom will still be there when you get back from dinner - big double-think LEAPS OF FAITH).

So you leave. Break with your upbringing. Become ex-Catholic.

I will suggest the following as primary goals for the forum (ha-ha forum - Roman numerals - woh boy all about Roman Catholicism. Ok sorry):

I) What is your "root?" what was the thread that led your belief to unravel?
....I)i.Where does the unraveling end? How far do you go and do you have to reject eveything?

II) Do you have to be an ex-catholic? Do you have to leave just because you find out the Church is sexist or corrupt or absurd or as true as the Easter Bunny or because you think that one or whatever thing is just too much to take? Does that thorn in your side HAVE to mix metaphors and become the root of your unraveling house of cards?
....II)i.Can't you just be a Cafeteria Catholic like everyone else?
.........II)i.a] what the hell do you think of cafeteria catholics anyways - pro or con?
....II)ii. There is an established tradition of agnostic Jews. There are Jews that don't really believe in God or everything - but they are still Jews and they still have that as part of their identity and they wouldn't part with it and it is a cultural thing. Is there any place for an agnostic or cultural Catholic? would you maybe fit as one? and I mean there is a reason for the adjective Judeo-Christian - they're the same kooky religion deep down - all part of the Abrahmic Tradition.

ok. so. as a show of how there is openess in the group I will post this and then do other roman numerals later. or. hell. I don't care. you can do your own. (I do not think this is a complete list of topics)
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April 9 2005, 17:19:00 UTC 11 years ago

I mean if you convert - well then you learn it all
Well, the difference between raised catholics and converts ends in a few years after they are converted.
At first you think you're Really Cool: YOU said Yes, you've answered The God's Call, you're so bloody special. So far you adore the Church and are a bit jealous for those who'd been raised Catholic. Then years pass, an you start finding this or that silly, and you are still So Very Special, you do not wear all those medals and scapulars (at least, at once), and running of every indulgence proclaimed.
But in a few years more you eather become a 'professional Catholic' (that means, Church takes the major place in your life), or find yourself having forgotten most of what you've been reading when doing your first steps as a Catholic, and you feel that you are Just Like Anybody Else. You doubt, you suffer, you are feeling hungry for this feeling of Love that was overwhelming you in the beginning.

Shall I remind you a good old hit?

Ten Little Catholics, standing in a line,
One disliked the pastor, then there were nine.

Nine little Catholics, stayed up very late,
One slept too late on Sunday, then there were eight.

Eight little Catholics, on their way to Heaven,
One took the low road, then there were seven.

Seven little Catholics, chirping like some chicks,
One disliked the music, then there were six.

Six little Catholics, seemed very much alive,
but one lost his interest then there were five.

Five little Catholics, pulling for heaven's shore,
but one stopped to rest, then there were only four.

Four little Catholics, each busy as a bee
One got her feelings hurt, then there were three.

Three little Catholics, knew not what to do,
One joined the sporting crowd, then there were two.

Two little Catholics, our rhyme is nearly done,
differed with each other, then there was one.

One little Catholic, can't do much 'tis true;
brought his friend to Catechism -- then there were two.

Two earnest Catholics, each won one more,
that doubled the number, then there were four.

Four sincere Catholics, worked early and worked late,
Each won another, then there were eight.

Eight splendid Catholics, if they doubled as before,
In just a few short weeks, we'd have 1,024

In this little jingle, there is a lesson true,
You either belong to The Building,

Or to the wrecking crew!

~Author Unknown